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11 Responses to “Filling In: 93 Marsh Street”

  1. C.J. Randall says:

    Let’s talk pocket neighborhoods! What are the zoning hurdles? Minimum parking reqs?

  2. Joel Helfrich says:

    My suggestion is to keep the building and create a pocket neighborhood. See the example I know best from Ithaca:

    http://newearthliving.net/what-we-do/aurora-dwelling-circle/

    More information:
    http://www.pocket-neighborhoods.net/whatisaPN.html

    http://www.pocket-neighborhoods.net/

    You could also create an urban ecovillage and either find long-term renters or find undergraduates (from the UofR which is close or from RIT, among others) to live in the new complex of buildings.

    But whatever you do, there needs to be more parking — in fact, parking as landscaping.

  3. C.J. Randall says:

    ^Yes, the Aurora St. neighborhood is great. It was a fight, though, since it all comes down to zoning.

    ^Parking as landscaping is an eyesore. Limit parking to the rear of buildings, limit impervious surfaces.

    form > use

  4. Joel Helfrich says:

    @C.J. Randall: the landscaping/parking comment was a joke.

  5. Matthew Denker says:

    Joel, just for you! http://www.flickr.com/photos/7799907@N05/12669625134/.

    That said, I am madly in love with the idea of pocket neighborhoods, but I worry about the efficacy here. From what I can tell about the Aurora build, it looks like it was(is) two 1BR 1007 sqft places and a 1350 sqft 3BR. At the low end of the expected prices, that means $170k for each of the small places and $250k for the larger one. That might be a little steep for this spot. I suppose if there were space for just a little more they could be split into 6 units (2 each) and double what’s on the property. I shudder to think about what kind of zoning variance I’d need to provide none of the 12 required parking spots, though.

  6. Joel Helfrich says:

    I suggest that you reach out to Susan Cosentini in Ithaca. She might be a great resource for suggestions, ways to approach the City, ideas that might translate to your property, etc. Working with the neighborhood residents and community members might also enable you to push such a project through. You should also contact John Curran, an active resident in that part of the City who lives near your property, who might give some suggestions.

  7. Kathy (Bender) Gall says:

    I grew up on the corner of Marsh & Monica St. The back of my house backed up to this site. That 2 1/2 story house on Marsh St.was moved their, It was the rectory for St. Monica’s church, that year they built a new rectory. I have a picture of that move. As I remember, that lot at #93 Marsh was just a field we would play on.

  8. Matthew Denker says:

    @Joel – Thank you for the resources, I will reach out to them as the time comes.

    @Kathy – I would love to be able to see those photos if you have some way of digitizing them (or if I can look you up the next time I’m in Rochester).

  9. Adrian says:

    Why not add on to the existing apartment building and make an L around the edge of the property with a courtyard in the middle? And have that little driveway extend to the back for some parking. Could probably double it to 12 units.

    geo.cityofrochester.gov says it’s low density residential. But if you can show increased demand due to the Genesee/Brooks developments, maybe you can get it upzoned? No idea how that stuff works.

  10. Matthew Denker says:

    I like the idea of an L shaped building, but it is maximally disruptive. Since 4 of the 6 units have some sort of rear exposure, it means some sort of occupancy disruption for 2/3ds of the apartments while construction happens.

    Otherwise, this is the sort of creative idea that hadn’t even crossed my mind, and is a nice combo of reuse and new build.

  11. Nathanael says:

    If you can get the city to agree to the zoning….

    Put angle parking along the road, removing much of the underused front lawn and supplying enough parking for the entire development. Put a sidewalk between the new angle parking and the rest of the development.

    Build a narrow “L”-shaped building around the edge of the parking lot, facing a new center courtyard (with the existing building facing the same courtyard from the other side). The courtyard will be where the cars are parked in the lot in your picture. Extend the “L” shaped building as far into the existing “back yard” as you think is reasonable.

    The center courtyard will be better used than the current “front lawns” and should be designed to be used (big enough to play tennis, y’know).

    The angle parking will provide the required 12 spaces, but without any wasted space as it will all be accessed directly from the street.

    While I generally like the idea of “parking in the back”, it *eats* space for the driveways or lots; if you can replace it with direct pulloff from the street (effectively street parking), you get the most space-efficient parking. It also buffers people playing at home from the cars driving down the street.

    You’d have to get the city to agree to give up the existing parallel street parking spaces in favor of the angle-parking plan, though. Hard.


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