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Councilmember Carolee Conklin: “No” to Bus Terminal

Carolee Conklin, Councilmember At-Large. (Photo: City Newspaper, Matt Deturck)Last week members of City Council voted 8 to 1 in favor of a resolution supporting a new RGRTA bus station on Mortimer Street. The single vote against the plan came from Councilmember Carolee Conklin, who said the plan is “a 19th Century solution to a 21st Century problem.” RochesterSubway.com has obtained the following memo from Conklin to Mayor Duffy. In it she explains in detail why she is opposed to RGRTA’s proposal…

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To: Robert J. Duffy, Mayor & City Council
From: Carolee Conklin, Councilmember
Date: May 11, 2010
Subject: Intro. 198 Resolution in support of a transit center
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I support the concept of a transit center and the need for an intermodal center to meet the needs of the City of Rochester for the next 50 years.

I do not support the proposed transit center on Mortimer St. for the following reasons:

  1. “Getting the buses off Main St.” The proposed legislation does not get the buses off Main St., It puts them in a different lane, creates traffic and pedestrian problems by left turn lanes, and creates traffic congestion on St. Paul and Clinton Avenue.
  2. Condemnation of 58 St. Paul St., 62 St. Paul St., 58 Mortimer St., and 65-71 North Clinton Ave. The first three properties are owned by H.H. Warner, LLC. This is a subsidiary of Mark IV, which, in the last twenty years, has built or rehabilitated over 500 units in the Center City. This action will effectively destroy their housing plans for the St. Paul corridor. The proposed rendering shows a four story “bus barn” abutting the Warner Building, and, through condemnation, taking all their parking with the exception of a small lot.
  3. The developer of the Cox Building required 74 parking spaces. These will also be eliminated.
  4. Security issues: The RGRTA is the only transportation agency that I know of that does not plan on having their own security force in the proposed transit center. I do not see how the City of Rochester (facing a 40 million budget gap this year alone) can afford to subsidize security for RGRTA. RGRTA is operating with a surplus, which is also taxpayer money. A twenty hour a day operation should be secured and patrolled by RGRTA, not sworn officers of the Rochester Police Department. I do not believe that the majority of City taxpayers want to subsidize police service for a transit center, effectively taking officers away from other duties.
  5. Mortimer St. was the agreed location by the City, County and RGRTA in 2000. That was 10 years ago. Since that time the changes have been significant. The original agreement called for Stone St. being “punched through” to Mortimer St. and included a performing arts center, the MCC campus, and the transit center built underground. There are not any parts of the 2000 agreement in the current plan for a bus barn on Mortimer St.
  6. RGRTA continues to use an outmoded “hub and spoke” system that most cities have dropped in favor of a “grid system” that employs smaller transit centers and circulator routes. The “hub and spoke” worked will when Main and Clinton was the true center of Monroe County, with thousands of people coming every day to Main and Clinton to work and shop. When Sibley’s, B. Foreman’s, McCurdy’s, McFarlin’s and The National left, the hub and spoke should have followed.
  7. “We’ll lose 52 million if we don’t pass Mortimer St.” I don’t believe, with the recent emphasis of the federal government on rail service and intermodal services, that if RGRTA, the Mayor, City Council and our Federal representatives went to the FTA and requested that the monies be diverted to an intermodal center we would lose any of the 52 million.

To summarize, I can support a transit center that incorporates rail, intra- and inter-city buses, taxis, and bikes. I cannot support the proposed bus barn on Mortimer St. and what it will do to our center city now and in the foreseeable future.

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Proposed transit center looking northeast along Saint Paul Street.It’s important to note that even though there were 8 votes to support the transit center, at least 3 of those councilmembers said they have concerns on issues like parking, emissions, and the design. Matt Haag, Jackie Ortiz, and Adam McFadden said they reserve the right to change their vote in June, when the legislation to abandon Mortimer is supposed to come before Council, if their concerns aren’t adequately addressed.

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8 Responses to “Councilmember Carolee Conklin: “No” to Bus Terminal”

  1. James Simons says:

    Carolee Conklin should be commended for taking a decisive stand on this issue. It is such an important decision that could affect downtown for years to come and I only wish other Council members would be as decisive with their positions. As she so effectively put it, this stations’ only purpose for existence is within a hub and spoke system that is clearly outdated. We can only hope that she will be able to persuade her fellow council members to stand up for the future of this city.

  2. admin says:

    @James, consider this: The next vote council will make will decide the fate of this project (whether or not to release the land to the transit authority). This vote will require a super-majority—7 of 9 votes—which means Conklin only needs to sway two council members over to her side. At least three have already expressed deep concern over the current plan. So the question is, can RGRTA modify these plans enough to satisfy concerns over parking for the surrounding residences, air-quality, AND some significant design flaws (i.e. bus turnarounds which cut right through the main pedestrian entrances)? It be rather shocking if Conklin remains the sole “no” vote next month.

  3. James Simons says:

    That will definitely be a relief if others step forward with a no vote. My fear is that RGRTA will do just enough to satisfy concerns and the station will still go through. I believe the station as a whole, no matter how much they may smooth it over, is a bad idea. Either way it will be a waste of taxpayer’s money for a bad transit system and a waste of downtown real estate. I suppose we have to be optimistic that stronger minds will prevail.

  4. admin says:

    Don’t forget all of these councilmembers are reachable by phone or email… You too have the power to influence this decision… Meet the Rochester City Council.

  5. Harry Davis says:

    Correction noted please:

    http://www.RochesterSubway.com said:

    “Matt Haag, Jackie Ortiz, and Adam McFadden said they reserve the right to change their vote in June, when the legislation to abandon Mortimer is supposed to come before Council, if their concerns aren’t adequately addressed.”

    Council Member Jackie Ortiz did not “reserve the right to change” her mind in June. It was Council Member Dana Miller along with Haag and McFadden. I was there.

    It is a shame this gutless, ignorant city council and mayor, with the exception of Council Member Conklin, who refused to do their homework on this critical issue by attending John Robert Smith’s lecture, or any other serious inquiry into alternatives or even to be aware of President Obama’s “Livability Initiative,” arrived at this point. I won’t get into the how & why but I do want to say that I am sure I know all of these people, city council & mayor, much better than anybody posting here or probably reading this. To think that Adam, Matt or Dana will change their minds in the next 3 weeks, I believe is foolish and naïve. When I asked Adam after the meeting, “Why?” all he could do is shrug his shoulders.

    I wonder why Mike at Rochester Subway still thinks we have the “power to influence this decision.”? At last Tuesday’s meeting, not one person spoke out in favor of this disaster. They rarely do going back to ren square.

    Why will city council not change their mind by June? Follow the money. Remember, the Building Trades union wants to build this bus barn. They make substantial campaign contributions to Mayor Duffy and city council members. They would build the bus barn in the middle of Main Street if they were asked to do so.

    Anthony DiMarzo, developer of the Warner Building next door to the proposed bus barn, who has the most invested in this decision to date, told me that these “members who led you to believe there is still hope they will change their minds”, Tony said, “They are blowing smoke.” It will not happen. This is a done deal as far a Duffy & city council are concerned. I believe the next step for Mr. DiMarzo is court.

    Our campaign has figured out what we believe is the best way to stop Mortimer bus barn and we are working in that direction.

    As Council Member Conklin said:

    “I do not support the proposed transit center on Mortimer St. for the following reasons:

    “We’ll lose $52 million if we don’t pass Mortimer St.” I don’t believe, with the recent emphasis of the federal government on rail service and inter-modal services, that if RGRTA, the Mayor, City Council and our Federal representatives went to the FTA and requested that the monies be diverted to an inter-modal center we would lose any of the S2 million.”

    I urge all of you to join us at the California Brew Haus next Saturday, May 22 for our party/fundraiser, or, please email tel or me. We can discuss our active plans to bring an inter-modal transit to Rochester.

    Read more here…
    http://www.harrydavis2010.com/node/222

    Harry Davis
    Rochester, NY
    585-355-4259

  6. Jay Partyka says:

    You know, I spent an hour trying to craft a response that wasn’t snarky, but I couldn’t do it. So instead, I’m going to go full out.

    Hmmm, lets say we did build an inter-modal station. I wonder how people think the buses are actually going to get there? It seems to me they’re all going to have to be funneled up Clinton Ave. I don’t see how an inter-modal station makes it so buses don’t have to make a left turn onto Clinton from Main St.

    Let’s not forget the huge surface parking lot that takes up an entire block. It’d be a real shame to lose that. Lord knows Downtown’s future is married to the car. Remember when we built a suburban style shopping mall Downtown with a parking garage below it, so people could drive there? What a thriving success that was. Then we built on that success by building a highway around downtown to make it even more accessible by car. Yes, we definitely need to continue to take the needs of drivers into account as we build on the success of Midtown Plaza and the Inner Loop…

    Oh, and the city might have to pay for police to patrol a bus terminal. I can only imagine how expensive that might be compared to the army of mounted police we have patrolling a mile long stretch of Main St every day. I’m sure securing a bus terminal will be way more expensive than paying for the officers we have on Main St. today….

    Let’s not forget the vile “Hub and Spoke” system that I can use to get anywhere in the city within 30 minutes. The suburbs were born of the car, but we can’t let them die with car, can we? We must redesign the transit system that’s worked well for the past 100 years to accommodate urban sprawl….

    So yes, let’s not surrender one parking space to transit while at the same time redesigning our transit system so people don’t need to drive as much.

    Lets complain that the current transit center plans is nothing more than a rush job to get black people off of Main street, and then in the next breath talk about ways to make it easer to use the bus to get to the suburbs that all the white people fled to a generation ago.

    Let’s indulge in the feel good idea that an Inter-modal station will this grand gateway to the city. We don’t want a “bus barn” we want a bus Cinderella’s Castle.

    Let’s look the other way while people who are just trying to get home from an honest days work freeze their asses off while we spend the next 10 years re-designing our entire transit system to accommodate an inter-modal station (and preserve parking).

    Then when 2020 rolls around, I’m sure we’ll have the perfect plan with complete community buy in… Everybody will be more than happy to have their tax money spent on the station, and nobody will gripe about how “the needs of the city have changed.” We’ll make it happen then, just you wait and see.

    Why build a transit center that meets people’s needs when we can engage in mental masturbation for another ten years…

  7. MAT says:

    Bravo, Mr. Partyka. I’m with you 100%. Intermodal for intermodal’s sake is dumb. There is no proof that our city will be a) damaged by this planned transit center nor b) improved by having all buses routed far north to the Amtrak Station. Suggesting that JR Smith’s five-minute presentation about Meridian MS would somehow sway anyone’s minds is nonsense. Comparing Rochester with Meridian MS, which doesn’t have a real transit system, is ludicrous. Besides, we’ll still have an intermodal station on Central Ave, it just won’t be the main transfer point for all RTS buses.

    Mark IV’s argument is selfish and bogus. Cox Building still has an opportunity to secure parking south of Mortimer. Hub-and-spoke is good for downtown and does not preclude future crosstown routes layered over the spokes. Most cities have a modified hub-and-spoke with overlaid grid system anyways. I could go on and on.

  8. Bob says:

    Jay, tremendous points.

    I’ll pile on the national motoring obsession a little bit.

    So, is the Mortimer Street Garage (a putrid miserable concrete structure that adds nothing to urban vitality, but I digress) not in the backyard of the Cox Building?

    People are going to fight tooth and nail for their pseudo-Jeffersonian ideal, much harder than their parents and grandparents stood firm in their city neighborhoods, but at what point do the inefficiencies of suburbia make it completely not worth servicing? I suppose the answer is some combination of fuel costs and capitalization of the populace, but that doesn’t mean we aren’t pissing away resources in the meantime.

    I’m also not just talking about transit. The cost of delivering EVERYTHING from electricity, to water, to natural gas, to even the mail is higher per capita the farther you venture from the urban core. The post office continues to go deeper into the red, yet they talk of cutting days of service and selling or abandoning strategically and architecturally important post office buildings.

    When will we learn? We can’t even put two and two together regarding the fact that the Gulf of Mexico existed for all eternity and we destroyed it in one week because we insist on living far away from and driving to work.


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