{"id":9390,"date":"2014-11-13T01:56:20","date_gmt":"2014-11-13T06:56:20","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/topics\/?p=9390"},"modified":"2014-12-04T19:51:58","modified_gmt":"2014-12-05T00:51:58","slug":"filling-in-charlotte-street","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/topics\/2014\/11\/filling-in-charlotte-street\/","title":{"rendered":"Filling In: Charlotte Street"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"Charlotte<\/a>
\nBy Matthew Denker<\/a><\/i><\/small><\/p>\n

It\u2019s kind of amazing we haven\u2019t looked at Charlotte Street \"external<\/a> already, but better late than never. Also, the RFP from the city is out, so there\u2019s that. You can read the details here \"external<\/a>. Let\u2019s just say the city is much more open minded about this proposal than the one for Midtown Parcel 5. <\/p>\n

This proposal, in case you\u2019re curious, is due December 5th. It\u2019s going to be a busy few weeks for you if you\u2019re trying to submit for this and Site 5<\/a>…<\/p>\n

\"Charlotte<\/a>
\nAnyway, let\u2019s start with a little history about the site. As recently as 1936, the site was housing. You can see it extended significantly further east before it was spliced up for the Inner Loop. A number of less-than-favorable uses happened after much of the housing was torn down, including the underground storage of petroleum products. <\/p>\n

A decade ago, the city wrapped up cleaning the site up for reuse, and there it has been ever since. Back in 2006, the city had a deal with Christa to build Charlotte Square \"external<\/a>, which was to be 32 condos and 8 townhouses. As you can tell, that didn\u2019t happen, and the site is back out for RFP. I am curious if this project was only to be part of the site, because it’s not much in the way of units for a large site.<\/p>\n

\"Christa<\/a>
\nJust as a quick disclaimer: I\u2019m not qualified to talk about the environmental issues inherent to the site, sadly, so let\u2019s just say whatever I propose here works. It might not. Oh, and feel free to use any of the ideas herein, but as per the usual, there is no warranty to their actual functionality in your proposal.<\/p>\n

With the background out of the way, what would I do here? Well, I think this is a prime opportunity to hit many of my favorite things all in one spot. I believe we have a site large enough to accommodate public open space, street level retail, condos, apartments, and townhomes all wrapped into one excellently located site.<\/p>\n

\"Charlotte<\/a>
\nThis is a great place to incorporate a new public square, and while Haags Alley \"external<\/a> leaves something to be desired on the north side, there is always the opportunity to reorient those buildings at a later time. <\/p>\n

To the east of this new square would be a modern midrise built in the form of Jean Nouvel\u2019s fabulous 40 Mercer. It would be, to my knowledge, the only white-out modern apartments available in Rochester. <\/p>\n

\"40<\/a><\/p>\n

The west of the square would be lined with townhouses. These townhouses would extend west along both Charlotte and Haags, forming a U around private yards for each house. Finally, a simple, but attractive 3-4 story apartment building would cap the west side of the site.<\/p>\n

\"Charlotte<\/a><\/p>\n

\"Charlotte<\/a>
\nI estimate the breakdown of units to be: 20 for sale townhouses, 40 for sale units in the tower and 50 for rent units, of which 30 will be affordable. Retail space would line the east side of the park from the base of the tower. Finally, the entire site would be excavated for a single story of underground parking. <\/p>\n

This would yield approximately 450 parking spaces. Ignoring the fact that this is enough parking for every man woman and child in the east end plus space to hold a subterranean tailgating party, my hope here is two-fold. First, the city has requested that parking accommodations be made for the business on Charlotte St. (clearly on the other side of the street, since being a dirt lot isn\u2019t much of a business). This would provide for quite a bit of additional parking for said businesses and should help grease the skids. Second, and from a long term perspective, I would like to see a large parking deck here allow for the removal of large portions of the surface lots for 2 Vine, the defunct Little Bakery, and Hart\u2019s to be replaced with liner retail that would enliven the street. One final bonus could be a deal with the townhomes across the street to landscape their interior parking lot, and move all the spaces to this garage. It would greatly increase the value of their homes to have a space with grills, a playground, and a large yard for play.<\/p>\n

A further neighborhood improvement that I’ve considered, but won\u2019t dwell on at length here, would be the upgrade of Haags Alley to a full street with sidewalks and on street parking. This would greatly improve the units that will be facing the alley.<\/p>\n

Finally, this site is soon to be joined by another development site on the opposite side of Pitkin when the Inner Loop is filled in. It would be good to keep that side of the tower lively as well, so that Pitkin can see the gains from being a real street and not an access road. <\/p>\n

This is a large site in a prime location, possibly even better than Site 5, which has potential, but might not be ready yet. The list of interested parties \"external<\/a> is also long and who’s who of the major players in town. It’s sure to be stiff competition, but what would you do here given the chance?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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