{"id":8723,"date":"2014-07-14T08:20:51","date_gmt":"2014-07-14T12:20:51","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/topics\/?p=8723"},"modified":"2014-07-14T13:36:52","modified_gmt":"2014-07-14T17:36:52","slug":"double-jeopardy-for-historic-660-west-main-church","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/topics\/2014\/07\/double-jeopardy-for-historic-660-west-main-church\/","title":{"rendered":"Double Jeopardy for Historic Rochester Church"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a title=\"The Zoning Board will decide AGAIN whether or not to allow the former Westminster Presbyterian Church at 660 West Main Street to be demolished. [PHOTO: RochesterSubway.com]\" rel=\"lightbox-660westMainAlternative\" href=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/photos\/rochester-westminster-church-660-west-main-01.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"margin:0px 0px 6px 0px;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/photos\/rochester-westminster-church-660-west-main-01.jpg\" border=\"1\" alt=\"The Zoning Board will decide AGAIN whether or not to allow the former Westminster Presbyterian Church at 660 West Main Street to be demolished. [PHOTO: RochesterSubway.com]\" width=\"100%\" \/><\/a><br \/>\n&#8220;Double Jeopardy&#8221; wasn&#8217;t invented by Alex Trebek. It&#8217;s actually a procedural defense in our system of justice that forbids a defendant from being tried more than once for the same (or similar) charges. Unfortunately this rule doesn&#8217;t seem to apply with historic preservation in Rochester. Because the very same owner of this <a href=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/topics\/2012\/06\/preservation-v-progress-rematch-on-main-street-rochester\/\">historic church<\/a> at <a href=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/maps\/place\/660+W+Main+St,+Rochester,+NY+14611\/@43.1523887,-77.6304114,317m\/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x89d6b4f351feaf53:0xae5500172764eb2\" target=\"_new\">660 West Main Street <img decoding=\"async\" style=\"position:relative; top:2px;\" alt=\"external link\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/icon_link.gif\" width=\"15\" heigth=\"11\" border=\"0\"><\/a> will, for a second time, ask the Zoning Board for permission to demolish the structure to make way for a discount store. <\/p>\n<p>Dawn Noto is president of the Susan B. Anthony Neighborhood Association. She was concerned about the demolition plans in March of 2013 when the Zoning Board blocked them the first time. This time Dawn says the conditions are no different and the City should be working with the owner on a plan to rehab the church building instead of entertaining his plan for a second time&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><a title=\"The Zoning Board will decide AGAIN whether or not to allow the former Westminster Presbyterian Church at 660 West Main Street to be demolished. [PHOTO: RochesterSubway.com]\" rel=\"lightbox-660westMainAlternative\" href=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/photos\/rochester-westminster-church-660-west-main-02.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"margin:0px 0px 6px 0px;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/photos\/rochester-westminster-church-660-west-main-02.jpg\" border=\"1\" alt=\"The Zoning Board will decide AGAIN whether or not to allow the former Westminster Presbyterian Church at 660 West Main Street to be demolished. [PHOTO: RochesterSubway.com]\" width=\"100%\" \/><\/a><br \/>\nThis time the site plan needs three variances.<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li> Demolition of a DBHV &#8211; Designated building of Historic Value needs a variance &#8211; proposed is demolition for &#8220;discount grocery store&#8221;. Tenant and a business plan remains a mystery.<\/li>\n<li> To build a 17,922 sq. ft. commercial building (6000 sg. ft. is current code)<\/li>\n<li> To build set back behind parking lot (0&#8242;-5&#8242; building setback from sidewalk is current code)<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>The zoning board will first vote on the demolition variance.<\/p>\n<p>In an online message to Susan B. Anthony neighbors, Dawn Noto said:<\/p>\n<div style=\"font-size:11px; margin:0px 0px 10px 10px;\">Our concerns are the same.<\/div>\n<div style=\"font-size:11px; margin:0px 0px 10px 10px;\">The historic church is structurally sound confirmed with our engineers report done in  2013. It should be re-used. <\/div>\n<div style=\"font-size:11px; margin:0px 0px 10px 10px;\">The SUPER SIZED square box [store] design will permanently impact this historic neighborhood. The 19th century streetscape is largely intact but this [proposed development] would begin a destructive building model that would forever be a detriment to the community.<\/div>\n<div style=\"font-size:11px; margin:0px 0px 10px 10px;\">Traffic patterns and daily delivery vehicles to a very large store will negatively impact the community. A traffic study should be done prior to any approvals.<\/div>\n<div style=\"font-size:11px; margin:0px 0px 10px 10px;\">The property owner owns many commercial properties in the SW and he neglects them. The business model at some of his plaza&#8217;s are detrimental to the health of the neighborhood (i.e. Liquor Store at Zebs Plaza, 626 W Main St, opened last year has had a negative impact).<\/div>\n<div style=\"font-size:11px; margin:0px 0px 10px 10px;\">The owner also owes over $40,000 in taxes including a $2,000 water bill. He does not have a Letter of Credit from a bank to show he can even financially pay for demo and rebuild. The City could request one under a Major Site Plan review.<\/div>\n<div style=\"font-size:11px; margin:0px 0px 10px 10px;\">Join us on the 17th to speak you opinion on how this will impact you and your neighborhoods. The SW has come so far, we cannot loose our intact 19th century buildings on W Main St. It&#8217;s our gateway and a better plan that reuses the church is needed. The City&#8217;s southwest neighborhoods have come so far, we cannot loose our intact 19th century buildings on W Main St. It&#8217;s our gateway and a better plan that reuses the church is needed.<\/div>\n<p>In related news, RocSubway has attained the following conceptual drawings from an anonymous source who says they were submitted to the City of Rochester sometime last week&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><a title=\"An design concept to readapt the church and surrounding property into housing will be presented at the Zoning Board hearing this Thursday.\" rel=\"lightbox-660westMainAlternative\" href=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/photos\/660-west-main-street-design-alternative-01.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"margin:0px 0px 6px 0px;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/photos\/660-west-main-street-design-alternative-01.jpg\" border=\"1\" alt=\"An design concept to readapt the church and surrounding property into housing will be presented at the Zoning Board hearing this Thursday.\" width=\"100%\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The drawings show what could be a residential adaptive reuse plan for the church and surrounding property with 20 apartments ranging from 700 to 1200 sq. ft. <\/p>\n<p><a title=\"An design concept to readapt the church and surrounding property into housing will be presented at the Zoning Board hearing this Thursday.\" rel=\"lightbox-660westMainAlternative\" href=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/photos\/660-west-main-street-design-alternative-02.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"margin:0px 0px 6px 0px;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/photos\/660-west-main-street-design-alternative-02.jpg\" border=\"1\" alt=\"An design concept to readapt the church and surrounding property into housing will be presented at the Zoning Board hearing this Thursday.\" width=\"100%\" \/><\/a><br \/>\nThis concept would also put new housing at the rear of the property on New York Street.<\/p>\n<p><a title=\"An design concept to readapt the church and surrounding property into housing will be presented at the Zoning Board hearing this Thursday.\" rel=\"lightbox-660westMainAlternative\" href=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/photos\/660-west-main-street-design-alternative-03.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"margin:0px 0px 6px 0px;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/photos\/660-west-main-street-design-alternative-03.jpg\" border=\"1\" alt=\"An design concept to readapt the church and surrounding property into housing will be presented at the Zoning Board hearing this Thursday.\" width=\"100%\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a title=\"An design concept to readapt the church and surrounding property into housing will be presented at the Zoning Board hearing this Thursday.\" rel=\"lightbox-660westMainAlternative\" href=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/photos\/660-west-main-street-design-alternative-04.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"margin:0px 0px 6px 0px;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/photos\/660-west-main-street-design-alternative-04.jpg\" border=\"1\" alt=\"An design concept to readapt the church and surrounding property into housing will be presented at the Zoning Board hearing this Thursday.\" width=\"100%\" \/><\/a><br \/>\nWith ample parking in the middle of the property.<\/p>\n<p><a title=\"An design concept to readapt the church and surrounding property into housing will be presented at the Zoning Board hearing this Thursday.\" rel=\"lightbox-660westMainAlternative\" href=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/photos\/660-west-main-street-design-alternative-06.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"margin:0px 0px 6px 0px;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/photos\/660-west-main-street-design-alternative-06.jpg\" border=\"1\" alt=\"An design concept to readapt the church and surrounding property into housing will be presented at the Zoning Board hearing this Thursday.\" width=\"100%\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a title=\"An design concept to readapt the church and surrounding property into housing will be presented at the Zoning Board hearing this Thursday.\" rel=\"lightbox-660westMainAlternative\" href=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/photos\/660-west-main-street-design-alternative-07.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"margin:0px 0px 6px 0px;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/photos\/660-west-main-street-design-alternative-07.jpg\" border=\"1\" alt=\"An design concept to readapt the church and surrounding property into housing will be presented at the Zoning Board hearing this Thursday.\" width=\"100%\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a title=\"An design concept to readapt the church and surrounding property into housing will be presented at the Zoning Board hearing this Thursday.\" rel=\"lightbox-660westMainAlternative\" href=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/photos\/660-west-main-street-design-alternative-08.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"margin:0px 0px 6px 0px;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/photos\/660-west-main-street-design-alternative-08.jpg\" border=\"1\" alt=\"An design concept to readapt the church and surrounding property into housing will be presented at the Zoning Board hearing this Thursday.\" width=\"100%\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a title=\"An design concept to readapt the church and surrounding property into housing will be presented at the Zoning Board hearing this Thursday.\" rel=\"lightbox-660westMainAlternative\" href=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/photos\/660-west-main-street-design-alternative-05.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"margin:0px 0px 6px 0px;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/photos\/660-west-main-street-design-alternative-05.jpg\" border=\"1\" alt=\"An design concept to readapt the church and surrounding property into housing will be presented at the Zoning Board hearing this Thursday.\" width=\"100%\" \/><\/a><br \/>\nWhether residential, or mixed use with some commercial, this plan could allow the developer to take advantage of a significant historic tax credit to rehab and re-use the church \u2014 and he did admit to the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.democratandchronicle.com\/story\/news\/2014\/06\/11\/new-plans-objections-razing-church\/10349535\/\" target=\"_new\">D&#038;C recently <img decoding=\"async\" style=\"position:relative; top:2px;\" alt=\"external link\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/icon_link.gif\" width=\"15\" heigth=\"11\" border=\"0\"><\/a> that he would need help with his taxes.<\/p>\n<h3>Attend the Zoning Board Public Hearing<\/h3>\n<p>The Zoning Board public hearing is this Thursday (7\/17), 12:00pm\/noon at <a href=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/maps\/place\/Rochester+city+hall\/@43.15706,-77.614965,17z\/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x2f82407d648b1036\" target=\"_new\">City Hall <img decoding=\"async\" style=\"position:relative; top:2px;\" alt=\"external link\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/icon_link.gif\" width=\"15\" heigth=\"11\" border=\"0\"><\/a> room 302A.<\/p>\n<p>If you would like to speak at this hearing please call <nobr>(585) 428-6526<\/nobr> ahead of the meeting ensure your spot.<\/p>\n<p>If you can&#8217;t make the meeting, written comments may be submitted by July 16th, 2014 via email to <a href=\"mailto:Jill.Symonds@CityofRochester.gov\">Jill.Symonds@CityofRochester.gov<\/a> or: <\/p>\n<p>Jill Symonds<br \/>\nCity of Rochester<br \/>\nBureau of Planning &#038; Zoning<br \/>\n30 Church Street, Room 125B<br \/>\nRochester, NY 14612<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&#8220;Double Jeopardy&#8221; wasn&#8217;t invented by Alex Trebek. It&#8217;s actually a procedural defense in our system of justice that forbids a defendant from being tried more than once for the same (or similar) charges. Unfortunately this rule doesn&#8217;t seem to apply with historic preservation in Rochester. Because the very same owner of this historic church at [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":10680,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_s2mail":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[15,114,79],"tags":[1221,1252,1197,1391,210,119,1254,53,151,1222,230,1219,234,1532,1412],"class_list":["post-8723","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-rochester_history","category-rochester_news","category-urban_development","tag-660-w-main-street","tag-dawn-noto","tag-demolition","tag-designated-building-of-historic-value","tag-development","tag-development-plans","tag-marvin-maye","tag-rochester","tag-rochester-ny","tag-susan-b-anthony-neighborhood","tag-urban-design","tag-westminster-presbyterian-church","tag-zoning","tag-zoning-board-of-appeals-zba","tag-zoning-code"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/topics\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8723","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/topics\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/topics\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/topics\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/topics\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=8723"}],"version-history":[{"count":12,"href":"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/topics\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8723\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":8736,"href":"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/topics\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8723\/revisions\/8736"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/topics\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/10680"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/topics\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=8723"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/topics\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=8723"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/topics\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=8723"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}