{"id":5917,"date":"2013-04-15T08:00:55","date_gmt":"2013-04-15T12:00:55","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/topics\/?p=5917"},"modified":"2013-05-19T19:30:07","modified_gmt":"2013-05-19T23:30:07","slug":"933-university-avenue-on-the-fence","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/topics\/2013\/04\/933-university-avenue-on-the-fence\/","title":{"rendered":"On The Fence Between 933 University Avenue &#038; Eastman House"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a title=\"Initial proposed design for apartment complex at 933 University Ave.\" rel=\"lightbox-933university\" href=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/photos\/933-university-ave-01.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"margin-bottom:6px;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/photos\/933-university-ave-01.jpg\" border=\"1\" alt=\"Initial proposed design for apartment complex at 933 University Ave.\" width=\"100%\" \/><\/a><br \/>\nOkay, so I&#8217;m on the fence \u2013\u00a0sort of. Remember this proposed apartment complex at 933 University Avenue? After the Eastman House and other neighbors complained about the design, Morgan Management went back to the drawing board (or Photoshop or whatever) and they came back with this&#8230; <\/p>\n<p><!--more--><a title=\"Revised design for apartment complex at 933 University Ave.\" rel=\"lightbox-933university\" href=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/photos\/933-university-ave-02.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"margin-bottom:6px;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/photos\/933-university-ave-02.jpg\" border=\"1\" alt=\"Revised design for apartment complex at 933 University Ave.\" width=\"100%\" \/><\/a><br \/>\nQuite a difference. The new design is much more in keeping with the architecture found in the East Avenue Preservation District. But has Morgan succeeded in mitigating the impact on the historic district? Is a modern interpretation of an English Manor really any better than than the original modern design? Perhaps.<\/p>\n<p><a title=\"Monroe Voiture building [PHOTO: RochesterSubway.com]\" rel=\"lightbox-933university\" href=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/photos\/933-university-ave-12.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"margin-bottom:6px;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/photos\/933-university-ave-12.jpg\" border=\"1\" alt=\"Monroe Voiture building [PHOTO: RochesterSubway.com]\" width=\"100%\" \/><\/a><br \/>\nRochester&#8217;s Planning Commission and Preservation Board will review this case in the coming months. They&#8217;ll have to consider the impact of the demolition and new development on the surrounding neighborhoods. This is what sits on the site currently. The Monroe Voiture building (<a href=\"https:\/\/maps.google.com\/maps?q=933+university+ave+rochester+ny&#038;ll=43.152828,-77.57928&#038;spn=0.003653,0.003905&#038;client=safari&#038;oe=UTF-8&#038;hnear=933+University+Ave,+Rochester,+Monroe,+New+York+14607&#038;gl=us&#038;t=h&#038;z=18\" target=\"_new\">map it <img decoding=\"async\" style=\"position:relative; top:2px;\" alt=\"external link\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/icon_link.gif\" width=\"15\" heigth=\"11\" border=\"0\"><\/a>).<\/p>\n<p><a title=\"Monroe Voiture building. [PHOTO: RochesterSubway.com]\" rel=\"lightbox-933university\" href=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/photos\/933-university-ave-13.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"margin-bottom:6px;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/photos\/933-university-ave-13.jpg\" border=\"1\" alt=\"Monroe Voiture building. [PHOTO: RochesterSubway.com]\" width=\"100%\" \/><\/a><br \/>\nAdmittedly, I&#8217;m having some trouble finding much historical information on this property. However, we know the George Eastman House next door is fairly historic. So what would the real impact be on that historic property? Here&#8217;s a snippet from an <a href=\"http:\/\/933university.org\/\" target=\"_new\">official George Eastman House statement <img decoding=\"async\" style=\"position:relative; top:2px;\" alt=\"external link\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/icon_link.gif\" width=\"15\" heigth=\"11\" border=\"0\"><\/a>&#8230;<\/p>\n<div style=\"font-size:12px; margin:10px 0px 0px 10px;\">George Eastman House opposes this project, which we believe is fundamentally inconsistent with the East Avenue Preservation District and with the purposes of the recently zoned Planned Development District 14\u2014George Eastman House, which is comprised of the George Eastman House, Hutchison House and Monroe Voiture (40 &#038; 8 Club) properties. The new apartment building would have a grave effect on the views from several parts of our property, including the main entrance to the Museum, the East Lawn, the Rock Garden, and many rooms in our National Historic Landmark house. The latest plan clearly demonstrates a desire to exploit the proximity to Mr. Eastman\u2019s estate by placing a swimming pool approximately 20 feet from its property line.<\/div>\n<div style=\"font-size:12px; margin:10px 0px 0px 10px;\">This project will also present significant challenges to the Neighborhood of the Arts, straining limited parking spaces and adding traffic congestion on a two-lane avenue.  In the face of vociferous objections by neighborhood residents, Morgan Management recently unveiled a third project design, but the revised design\u2014the number of apartments was reduced from 105 to 102\u2014did little to mitigate the adverse effects of an apartment building at this location.<\/div>\n<div style=\"font-size:12px; margin:10px 0px 0px 10px;\">Since 1975, within the East Avenue Preservation District, the Rochester Preservation Board has permitted the construction of an aggregate of fewer than 100 residential units, none of which were in a building taller than two stories.  The proposed apartment building would more than double this number.  The demolition of the 1920s house on the property would be the first removal of a principal structure in the East Avenue Preservation District in nearly 30 years.<\/div>\n<p>Ok. So the big issues are the view from the Eastman House, a new swimming pool 20 feet from the property line, anticipated parking challenges, traffic congestion, and the demolition of a 1920&#8217;s structure within a Preservation District.<\/p>\n<p><a title=\"933 University Ave. plan view.\" rel=\"lightbox-933university\" href=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/photos\/933-university-ave-03.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"margin-bottom:6px;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/photos\/933-university-ave-03.jpg\" border=\"1\" alt=\"933 University Ave. plan view.\" width=\"100%\" \/><\/a><br \/>\nHere&#8217;s the proposed site plan for 933 University Ave. The Eastman House property would be on the left. The dark green trees are existing trees which will remain. The light green trees would be new plantings. I have to say I like that the parking is hidden in the center of the complex. Looks like an improvement over the giant exposed parking lot that&#8217;s there now.<\/p>\n<p><a title=\"933 University Ave. aerial view. The Eastman House and gardens are on the right.\" rel=\"lightbox-933university\" href=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/photos\/933-university-ave-10.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"margin-bottom:6px;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/photos\/933-university-ave-10.jpg\" border=\"1\" alt=\"933 University Ave. aerial view. The Eastman House and gardens are on the right.\" width=\"100%\" \/><\/a><br \/>\nNow here&#8217;s an aerial view of 933 University Ave. The Eastman House and gardens are on the right.<\/p>\n<p><a title=\"933 University Ave. aerial view. The Eastman House and gardens are on the right.\" rel=\"lightbox-933university\" href=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/photos\/933-university-ave-11.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"margin-bottom:6px;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/photos\/933-university-ave-11.jpg\" border=\"1\" alt=\"933 University Ave. aerial view. The Eastman House and gardens are on the right.\" width=\"100%\" \/><\/a><br \/>\nAnd the same aerial view with the proposed site plan superimposed. Note the location of the pool. Currently there&#8217;s a long row of snow plows parked there. I don&#8217;t know. If I were Mr. Eastman I think I&#8217;d prefer to look at the swimming pool. But what would the view actually look like from the Eastman House? Morgan Management put together some simulations for us&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><a title=\"The current view looking east from the Eastman House gardens.\" rel=\"lightbox-933university\" href=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/photos\/933-university-ave-07.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"margin-bottom:6px;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/photos\/933-university-ave-07.jpg\" border=\"1\" alt=\"The current view looking east from the Eastman House gardens.\" width=\"100%\" \/><\/a><br \/>\nHere&#8217;s the current view looking east from the Eastman House gardens. Pretty nice. <\/p>\n<p><a title=\"View of proposed development as would be seen from the Eastman House gardens.\" rel=\"lightbox-933university\" href=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/photos\/933-university-ave-08.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"margin-bottom:6px;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/photos\/933-university-ave-08.jpg\" border=\"1\" alt=\"View of proposed development as would be seen from the Eastman House gardens.\" width=\"100%\" \/><\/a><br \/>\nNow here&#8217;s the same view from the Eastman House gardens but with the proposed development in there. You may have to squint to find it. I&#8217;ll help you out \u2013 it&#8217;s behind the greenhouse (you can click any of these images for a larger view).<\/p>\n<p><a title=\"View of proposed development as would be seen from the Eastman House gardens in summer with foliage.\" rel=\"lightbox-933university\" href=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/photos\/933-university-ave-09.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"margin-bottom:6px;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rochestersubway.com\/images\/photos\/933-university-ave-09.jpg\" border=\"1\" alt=\"View of proposed development as would be seen from the Eastman House gardens in summer with foliage.\" width=\"100%\" \/><\/a><br \/>\nHere&#8217;s that same view during the summer months, with foliage on the trees.<\/p>\n<p>I guess I&#8217;m not really on the fence. I just don&#8217;t see what all the hub-bub is about. To be honest with you, even the original modern design didn&#8217;t bother me all that much. It was different yes. But the proposed building is on University Ave. which is already a fairly eclectic street in a place called &#8220;Neighborhood Of The Arts.&#8221; It&#8217;s not East Avenue \u2013 although this new design could certainly be placed on East and blend right in. In fact, I&#8217;d almost expect NOTA residents to complain next about the revised design being too stodgy for their artsy neighborhood.<\/p>\n<p>There IS one concern that I agree with. The demolition of a salvageable 1920&#8217;s building in a Preservation District, does seem to set a slippery precedent.<\/p>\n<p>Do you have strong thoughts on this case? What am I missing? Hit the comments below and try to convince me one way or the other.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Okay, so I&#8217;m on the fence \u2013\u00a0sort of. Remember this proposed apartment complex at 933 University Avenue? 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