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	<title>Comments on: Rochester&#8217;s Case for a Streetcar Line</title>
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		<title>By: chase tyler</title>
		<link>http://www.rochestersubway.com/topics/2010/02/rochesters_case_for_a_streetcar/comment-page-1/#comment-159053</link>
		<dc:creator>chase tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 02:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree fully with the idea of Rochester as a business. The problem with the city is that work is not getting done. This would keep people in Rochester. Although there are other things that need to be one, transit is a good place to start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree fully with the idea of Rochester as a business. The problem with the city is that work is not getting done. This would keep people in Rochester. Although there are other things that need to be one, transit is a good place to start.</p>
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		<title>By: RochesterSubway.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>RochesterSubway.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 16:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@discgolfer, thank you for the encouraging thoughts. The effort is underway! You can help. Visit... http://ReconnectRochester.org

Maybe send us some of your stories and photos from Denver.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@discgolfer, thank you for the encouraging thoughts. The effort is underway! You can help. Visit&#8230; <a href="http://ReconnectRochester.org" rel="nofollow">http://ReconnectRochester.org</a></p>
<p>Maybe send us some of your stories and photos from Denver.</p>
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		<title>By: discgolfer1138</title>
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		<dc:creator>discgolfer1138</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 16:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a fantastic idea.  I was born and raised in Rochester and now live in Denver, CO.  I must say the light rail here is freaking awesome!  My wife and I live less than a block from a new station that will be opening in the spring and will allow us to go directly downtown (and eventually to the airport in 2015).  I am delighted to see that something like this is even being considered in Rochester.  I think a short heritage line would be a great start.  Admittedly, I am a huge railfan and to hear of even the possibility of something like this in my hometown gives me goosebumps.  As a kid, I was constantly asking my grandparents to tell me stories about the old streetcars and subways. I look forward to following this project and hope that it becomes a reality!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a fantastic idea.  I was born and raised in Rochester and now live in Denver, CO.  I must say the light rail here is freaking awesome!  My wife and I live less than a block from a new station that will be opening in the spring and will allow us to go directly downtown (and eventually to the airport in 2015).  I am delighted to see that something like this is even being considered in Rochester.  I think a short heritage line would be a great start.  Admittedly, I am a huge railfan and to hear of even the possibility of something like this in my hometown gives me goosebumps.  As a kid, I was constantly asking my grandparents to tell me stories about the old streetcars and subways. I look forward to following this project and hope that it becomes a reality!</p>
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		<title>By: maryland mover</title>
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		<dc:creator>maryland mover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 09:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty great post. I simply stumbled upon your blog and wished to mention that I&#039;ve really loved browsing your weblog posts. In any case I will be subscribing to your feed and I hope you write again very soon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty great post. I simply stumbled upon your blog and wished to mention that I&#8217;ve really loved browsing your weblog posts. In any case I will be subscribing to your feed and I hope you write again very soon!</p>
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		<title>By: Krista Kouri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Krista Kouri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 10:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So very very cool! I am very happy I found your site! Most points I completely agree with and knew about, but a few ideas I had not thought about! Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So very very cool! I am very happy I found your site! Most points I completely agree with and knew about, but a few ideas I had not thought about! Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: mg</title>
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		<dc:creator>mg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2012 15:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an awesome, inspiring post. Rochester would do so nicely with a streetcar system in town.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an awesome, inspiring post. Rochester would do so nicely with a streetcar system in town.</p>
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		<title>By: jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 19:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think rochester deserves a light rail system the city is big enough,and I get tired of people when they say that city is small it has an population of over one million in the metro area to me that sounds like a city that&#039;s dying for a rapid transit plan of some sort and not RTS express lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think rochester deserves a light rail system the city is big enough,and I get tired of people when they say that city is small it has an population of over one million in the metro area to me that sounds like a city that&#8217;s dying for a rapid transit plan of some sort and not RTS express lol.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Sep 2010 21:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ben, no thanks. But if you want to help us improve Rochester&#039;s public transit feel free to drop me a line and I&#039;ll tell you how you can get involved!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ben, no thanks. But if you want to help us improve Rochester&#8217;s public transit feel free to drop me a line and I&#8217;ll tell you how you can get involved!</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Sep 2010 14:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Newdigs crew loves your site, and your cause!  If you would like to get some more exposure, you are welcome to guest blog each of your entries on Newdigs.com.  We are a Rochester based apartment listing website with a blog going live in October.  We&#039;d love to see your content on there and drive some traffic to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Newdigs crew loves your site, and your cause!  If you would like to get some more exposure, you are welcome to guest blog each of your entries on Newdigs.com.  We are a Rochester based apartment listing website with a blog going live in October.  We&#8217;d love to see your content on there and drive some traffic to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 18:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A subway or light rail system won&#039;t work unless it encompasses the entire region. And it should also be noted the LACK of comprehensive mass transit in metro Rochester actually contributes to drunk driving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A subway or light rail system won&#8217;t work unless it encompasses the entire region. And it should also be noted the LACK of comprehensive mass transit in metro Rochester actually contributes to drunk driving.</p>
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		<title>By: RECONNECT ROCHESTER &#187; Roll Up Your Sleeves. Let&#8217;s Reconnect Rochester.</title>
		<link>http://www.rochestersubway.com/topics/2010/02/rochesters_case_for_a_streetcar/comment-page-1/#comment-2969</link>
		<dc:creator>RECONNECT ROCHESTER &#187; Roll Up Your Sleeves. Let&#8217;s Reconnect Rochester.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 04:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by now you&#8217;ve read Rochester&#8217;s Case for a Streetcar Line. If you haven&#8217;t, go read it. Go on, I&#8217;ll [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] by now you&#8217;ve read Rochester&#8217;s Case for a Streetcar Line. If you haven&#8217;t, go read it. Go on, I&#8217;ll [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.rochestersubway.com/topics/2010/02/rochesters_case_for_a_streetcar/comment-page-1/#comment-2482</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 01:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not ready to move back to Rochester quite yet, but I don&#039;t plan on staying here lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not ready to move back to Rochester quite yet, but I don&#8217;t plan on staying here lol</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 01:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah... we gotta get you out of there before it&#039;s too late.</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.rochestersubway.com/topics/2010/02/rochesters_case_for_a_streetcar/comment-page-1/#comment-2480</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 01:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Albany at the moment. It sucks!</description>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.rochestersubway.com/topics/2010/02/rochesters_case_for_a_streetcar/comment-page-1/#comment-2479</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 00:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Andrew, where&#039;d you move to? Get your butt back here and help us!

;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Andrew, where&#8217;d you move to? Get your butt back here and help us!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 06:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes. I would gladly move back to Rochester to live out the rest of my life if something like this were put into place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes. I would gladly move back to Rochester to live out the rest of my life if something like this were put into place.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Denker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Denker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 12:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Admin - He&#039;s also an alum of Simon (UR), so we met through a number of school functions.  We had a variety of common interests at the time, although we haven&#039;t really been able to stay in touch (surely my fault!).  You&#039;re very welcome for the help.  I&#039;d love to do more, although I think it&#039;d be tough without being in Rochester.  Keep me in the loop, though, as I&#039;d be happy to at least try contributing as time goes on.  I&#039;m trying to think of what sort of forward thinking construction company would take on the challenge of building a condo/car barn on East, maybe even before the rest of the line.  Anyway, let me know how things go when you get together with everyone else this week.  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Admin &#8211; He&#8217;s also an alum of Simon (UR), so we met through a number of school functions.  We had a variety of common interests at the time, although we haven&#8217;t really been able to stay in touch (surely my fault!).  You&#8217;re very welcome for the help.  I&#8217;d love to do more, although I think it&#8217;d be tough without being in Rochester.  Keep me in the loop, though, as I&#8217;d be happy to at least try contributing as time goes on.  I&#8217;m trying to think of what sort of forward thinking construction company would take on the challenge of building a condo/car barn on East, maybe even before the rest of the line.  Anyway, let me know how things go when you get together with everyone else this week.  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 03:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Matt, how do you know Chris Burns? Have you worked with him? It&#039;s unfortunate that he&#039;s had to give up the fight—but I will meet with him this week or next and gather as much background info as I can so we can carry this forward. Also, I will share your ideas with our group when we meet this weekend. Thanks for offering your thoughts and please keep them coming. Everything helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Matt, how do you know Chris Burns? Have you worked with him? It&#8217;s unfortunate that he&#8217;s had to give up the fight—but I will meet with him this week or next and gather as much background info as I can so we can carry this forward. Also, I will share your ideas with our group when we meet this weekend. Thanks for offering your thoughts and please keep them coming. Everything helps.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@admin While I&#039;d love to come, I&#039;m not actually in Rochester anymore.  Please tell Chris Burns that Matthew Denker says hi when you see him, though.  For what it&#039;s worth, here&#039;s the plan that I think would work best to start, and I&#039;ll delve into why as well.  Additionally, yes it would be bidirectional.  There would be double diamond crossovers just west of Berkeley and just east of Chestnut allowing for use of the traffic signals to protect the car reversal.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&amp;hl=en&amp;msa=0&amp;msid=117836484536336181362.00047fe95aa25a1bd14f6&amp;ll=43.15318,-77.590964&amp;spn=0.01401,0.026157&amp;t=h&amp;z=16

So here&#039;s the deal.  So very many transit proposals are meant to do a number of things: reach the masses, serve students, seniors, and any other number of groups.  While all of these are incredibly laudable goals, I believe that a much simpler plan, one which involves getting people with the most money to the places they like to spend it and all for as little money as possible would be the key to proving a system can work.  

For example, running to the ballpark would be awesome, except families go to games more than city goers, and families have a litany of excuses not to take transportation.  There&#039;s a reason they buy SUVs they don&#039;t need in the first place.  

Students are another big problem.  Many of them fall into 1 of 2 categories: rich enough to have a car and not want to take a train, or so poor that they generally bike.  While I am sure they might ride the train in the winter, a system with ridership 3-6 months a year also does not work fiscally.  

Seniors create much the same issue.  Bless their hearts for their longevity, but they are, rather reasonably, very price conscious, and we wouldn&#039;t want to price this system out at less than a bus ride.  

The biggest &quot;luxury&quot; I could see spending on this initial piece of system would be tail tracks past the car barn and north and south on Chestnut.  I initially envisioned a loop that went the route I have, then down Chestnut and back on Monroe, then up Culver in a loop, but this route would be closer to 3 miles.  I really think that if the initial system could be kept under about $15m it would draw far more support.  I also think that if the initial focus were kept tight, the justification for a Business Improvement District type setup to fund it would be much more reasonable.  

Anyway, I&#039;ve been speaking with a few designers about what initial research would cost, and I think for an initial push, we&#039;d need somewhere on the order of 100k for initial design and engineering.  There would certainly be more later.  It&#039;s all something to consider.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@admin While I&#8217;d love to come, I&#8217;m not actually in Rochester anymore.  Please tell Chris Burns that Matthew Denker says hi when you see him, though.  For what it&#8217;s worth, here&#8217;s the plan that I think would work best to start, and I&#8217;ll delve into why as well.  Additionally, yes it would be bidirectional.  There would be double diamond crossovers just west of Berkeley and just east of Chestnut allowing for use of the traffic signals to protect the car reversal.</p>
<p><a href="http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&#038;hl=en&#038;msa=0&#038;msid=117836484536336181362.00047fe95aa25a1bd14f6&#038;ll=43.15318,-77.590964&#038;spn=0.01401,0.026157&#038;t=h&#038;z=16" rel="nofollow">http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&#038;hl=en&#038;msa=0&#038;msid=117836484536336181362.00047fe95aa25a1bd14f6&#038;ll=43.15318,-77.590964&#038;spn=0.01401,0.026157&#038;t=h&#038;z=16</a></p>
<p>So here&#8217;s the deal.  So very many transit proposals are meant to do a number of things: reach the masses, serve students, seniors, and any other number of groups.  While all of these are incredibly laudable goals, I believe that a much simpler plan, one which involves getting people with the most money to the places they like to spend it and all for as little money as possible would be the key to proving a system can work.  </p>
<p>For example, running to the ballpark would be awesome, except families go to games more than city goers, and families have a litany of excuses not to take transportation.  There&#8217;s a reason they buy SUVs they don&#8217;t need in the first place.  </p>
<p>Students are another big problem.  Many of them fall into 1 of 2 categories: rich enough to have a car and not want to take a train, or so poor that they generally bike.  While I am sure they might ride the train in the winter, a system with ridership 3-6 months a year also does not work fiscally.  </p>
<p>Seniors create much the same issue.  Bless their hearts for their longevity, but they are, rather reasonably, very price conscious, and we wouldn&#8217;t want to price this system out at less than a bus ride.  </p>
<p>The biggest &#8220;luxury&#8221; I could see spending on this initial piece of system would be tail tracks past the car barn and north and south on Chestnut.  I initially envisioned a loop that went the route I have, then down Chestnut and back on Monroe, then up Culver in a loop, but this route would be closer to 3 miles.  I really think that if the initial system could be kept under about $15m it would draw far more support.  I also think that if the initial focus were kept tight, the justification for a Business Improvement District type setup to fund it would be much more reasonable.  </p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;ve been speaking with a few designers about what initial research would cost, and I think for an initial push, we&#8217;d need somewhere on the order of 100k for initial design and engineering.  There would certainly be more later.  It&#8217;s all something to consider.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Phill, no problem. We&#039;ll shoot for the weekend. Not to sound like a WWII recruitment poster but We Need You! Pick any time for next weekend and we&#039;ll work something out.</description>
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